A12.15 - advancing into a nex with HIP unit?

[Bogcheck]

What happens when a squad Advances into a woods hex containing an enemy HIP squad? Is the squad revealed, or is it the players choice? Or something else?

HIP and concealment rules give me fits when movement is involved.

[Neal]

I believe if you try to advance into a hex with a HIP unit you are bounced back to the hex prior to entry, and any HIP units are placed under ? and are allowed to fire if they choose (losing ? obviously). Often units that lose HIP this way want to keep their ? because it gives a big advantage to keep the attacking unit from advancing into CC.

See A12.31 and the rule sections it refers to at the end of the paragraph.

[Bogcheck]

thanks. I reread the sections that are refered and I think I'm getting it. just need to play it in action to get it down.

[Bogcheck]

oh and I mean hex, hex not nex

[VaslingStew]

What happens when a squad Advances into a woods hex containing an enemy HIP squad? Is the squad revealed, or is it the players choice? Or something else?

HIP and concealment rules give me fits when movement is involved.

You enter CC with the units that must lose HIP but is placed under a ?ment.

[MrJazz]

You need to be more specific and careful with your terms. Is this during the Movement Phase or the Advance Phase? The distinction leads to two very different answers.

- Movement Phase: moving unit gets bounced and the HIP unit gets put on board revealed (unconcealed)
- Advance Phase, HIP unit gets put onboard concealed and CC with possible Ambush happens.

[Robin Reeve]

Small but important precision: the HIP unit which Location an enemy unit advanced into during the APh will only be revealed at the start of the CCPh.

[nekengren]

Advancing into a HIP Foxhole at Night? Would you reveal the Foxhole immediately or beginning of CCPh like units?

[marchanna]

Advancing into a HIP Foxhole at Night? Would you reveal the Foxhole immediately or beginning of CCPh like units?

It looks to be immediate as the real unit enters the location, no wait until CCPh:

1.16 FORTIFICATIONS: All Fortification counters are set up hidden at night regardless of terrain, and remain hidden until their protective TEM is used, a non-Dummy enemy unit (determined by the procedure given in A12.11 for minefields) enters the Location that contains it